Minutes, IBIS Quality Committee 14 Apr 2009 11-12 AM EST (8-9 AM PST) ROLL CALL Adam Tambone * Anders Ekholm, Ericsson Barry Katz, SiSoft Benny Lazer Benjamin P Silva Bob Cox, Micron * Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group Brian Arsenault David Banas, Xilinx * Eckhard Lenski, Nokia Siemens Networks Eric Brock * Guan Tao, Huawei Technologies Gregory R Edlund Hazem Hegazy Huang Chunxing, Huawei Technologies John Figueroa John Angulo, Mentor Graphics Katja Koller, Nokia Siemens Networks Kevin Fisher Kim Helliwell, LSI Logic Lance Wang, IOMethodology Lynne Green * Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems Mike Mayer, SiSoft * Moshiul Haque, Micron Technology Muniswarareddy Vorugu, ARM Ltd * Pavani Jella, TI Peter LaFlamme Randy Wolff, Micron Technology Radovan Vuletic, Qimonda Robert Haller, Enterasys Roy Leventhal, Leventhal Design & Communications Sherif Hammad, Mentor Graphics Todd Westerhoff, SiSoft Tom Dagostino, Teraspeed Consulting Group Kazuyoshi Shoji, Hitachi Sadahiro Nonoyama Liqun, Huawei Everyone in attendance marked by * NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. -----------------------MINUTES --------------------------- Mike LaBonte conducted the meeting. Call for patent disclosure: - No one declared a patent. AR Review: - Mike: Add documentation requirements - This still needs more work - Mike look into MeetingPlace issues - Mike will test WebEx internally first - Bob has trouble with this meeting but not Open Forum - Mike propose IBISCHK bug for 5.5.3 - TBD New items: Mike: What should be done with {OPTIONAL} checks? - We found these: - 5.2.4. {OPTIONAL} [Model Spec] Pulse subparameters complete - 5.2.8. {OPTIONAL} [Model Spec] D_Overshoot subparameters track typ/min/max - Mike: These are relaxations of requirements, not critical - Bob: We can't require things that are not common - Anders: But these would be useful - Specs have tables of overshoot cases - Bob: These could be internal checks for those who need them - Anders: We end up adding this info to IBIS files - Moshiul: The DDR JEDEC overshoot spec description is not the same as IBIS - Bob: The way overshoot is described has changed over the years - IBIS 5 has an improvement - But third party IBIS providers have trouble getting the info - Mike: In IQ 1.3 we could delete: "IBIS data that is not considered critical" - Pavani: Most datasheets do not have s_overshoot or d_overshoot - It is hard to convince people to put it into datasheets - They tend say absolute max voltage is enough - It is easier for vendors to have this in datasheets when JEDEC has it - We should keep it as optional. - We made edits to IQ 1.3 1.1.3. IQ2 Suitable for Waveform Simulation - Pavani: The list of requirements raise questions - For C_comp doesn't follow normal rules for typ/min/max - Mike: Should 1.1.5. IQ4 Suitable for Power Analysis - Bob: There is no parser for IBIS 5.0 yet - BIRD 98 adds gate modulation effects - Mike : We could do one of: - Drop the IQ4 level - Spec IQ4 with only [Pin Mapping] required - Spec IQ4 with BIRD95 and BIRD98 also required - We will discuss it next week - We might invite Syed Huq to explain BIRD 95 1.4. IBIS Quality summary - We need to address this, but meeting time has run out Next meeting: 21 Apr 2009 11-12 AM EST (8-9 AM PST) Meeting ended at 12:03 PM Eastern Time.